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Typewriter interview with David Epstein

10 questions for the writer about hobbies, silly rituals, constraint, and more...

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Austin Kleon
May 05, 2026
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Hey y’all,

I liked David Epstein’s #1 New York Times bestseller Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World so much that I picked it for our Read Like an Artist book club back in 2022. (It’s also recommended reading in the back of Don’t Call It Art.) David’s highly-anticipated new book Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better is out today. This typewriter interview was conducted via the magic of the United States Postal Service. (For a plain-text version with links, see the P.S. below.)

What career would you like to attempt if you weren't doing what you're doing?   Before I was a writer, I was training to be a scientist. I lived on a ship in the Pacific Ocean, in a tent in the Arctic, and in The Sonoran Desert. I love science, and would love to help find solutions for environmental challenges. Ideally, this would involve some research in space :)
Do you see yourself as part of an artistie lineage? Who would you place in your creative family tree?  I have no idea the extent to which others view my work, science writing, as creative or artistic, but l certainly do. I labor INTENSELY over how to arrange ideas, and how to bring a story to life. I took a roadtrip to Mississippi for the new book just to sit in a certain cemetery at midnight to describe the feel of the place. (Cracked the rental car windshield... the one time I didn't get the insurance!) My family tree includes Malcolm Gladwell, (a generative relationship founded in disagreement!), Dan Pink, John McPhee, Mary Roach. Maria Konnikova. Susan Cain.
"What did you do as a child that made the hours pass like minutes?" (C. Jung)   Playing catch. Or even throwing a ball against a wall- high against the wall — and catching it on my own. I used to do that for hours. I still love playing catch. Something about the mix of smoothness and tactility. Whenever I see a ball, a want someone to throw it to me.
Do you have any hobbies? Do you collect anything?  I was a college 800-meter runner, and I still run. I dance, I love dancing, and learning new physical skills in general. I'm a good juggler! I collect different covers of books I love. (Peter Mendelsund is my is my favorite cover designer.) I also have a collection of Joyce's Ulysses from the original publisher, Shakespeare and Co. Oh and I love taking blurry or smeared photos. I also read manga, esp. ONE PIECE.
Describe a perfect day where you live.  Brisk weather, so that when I run I'll warm up to just the right temperature. Some days, I can hear the gibbons at the National Zoo whooping to one another, like bubbles of sound pushing through tree branches until they pop. I like to think they're urging me on.

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What's your relationship to music? Do you sing or play an instrument? What song do you never get tired of?  I can play a tiny bit of piano. I can play mouth harp! I have good rhythm so I'm constantly drumming on things. But I'm the one dancing, not playing. My son is into violin - all learned by ear, so I'm constantly working with him on pieces. We listen to a lot of music together. I can listen to the Köln Concert ad infinitum.
John Waters says he has "youth spies" that keep him up-to-date on culture. Do you have any youth spies?   I go to 'shuffle" dance classes - where l single-handedly raise the average age by probably five years. Initially, my spies were bemused that I expected class to have a posted calendar rather than just announcements on Instagram.
What do you do for exercise? Do you detect any mental, spiritual, or creative benefits?   This will sound silly, but I go to sleep in workout clothes. When I wake up, I realize I'm not going to change OUT of them, so I just run or do bodyweight work, jump rope, or low weight/ high rep lifting. Every day. It makes me feel that I've already accomplished something for the day. And many of my moments of clarity- how to express something in writing - COME WHILE RUNNING.
Do you have any advice for people who want to be more creative?  Forcing yourself to use restricted means is the sort of restrain that liberates invention. It obliges you to make a kind of progress that you can't even imagine in advance." -Picasso   ...Try a constraint. One color. One object. One hour. Anything that precludes the path of convenience: I read Lynda Barry and drew with both hands at once. When you block the familiarpath, you won't give up. YOU'LL GET RESOURCEFUL.
I "smoke" a cigarette pencil in the studio. Do you perform any silly rituals when you're working?   Each day at my desk,  The tree outside my window Gets its own haiku

Big thanks to David for being the 19th participant in this series of typewriter interviews.

Go out and get his new book Inside the Box: How Constraints Make Us Better and subscribe to his newsletter, Range Widely.

Thanks, as always, to paid subscribers who buy me the time to do all the email coordinating, typing, snail-mailing, scanning, transcribing, and editing that goes into them. If you haven’t yet, consider supporting my work with a paid subscription!

xoxo,

Austin

P.S. Here’s video of a conversation David and I had way back in 2021 about his book, Range:

Here are my mind map prep notes for that interview:

And here is the plain-text version of our typewriter interview with links:

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